
The Biggest Barrier to Wall Street Using Ethereum
In this episode of Bankless, David Hoffman speaks with Mo Jalil and Oscar Thorne, co‑founders of ETH Systems – a new spin‑off from the Ethereum Foundation focused on Ethereum, institutions, and privacy.
Why Privacy Matters for Institutions- Ethereum is a great neutral base layer, but without built‑in privacy, institutions cannot use it.
- Institutions need confidentiality for their business and must remain compliant – both require cryptography.
- Currently they use private networks because public blockchains lack privacy, even though Ethereum offers deep liquidity and new business opportunities.
- Mo Jalil has a traditional finance background (Goldman Sachs, hedge funds) and led APAC BD at the Ethereum Foundation. He realized institutions need privacy to use public Ethereum.
- Oscar Thorne has been in crypto for ~10 years, focusing on privacy and protocol design (Status, R&D labs). He wrote a book on proof systems and built client‑side proving tooling.
- Together they started the Institutional Privacy Task Force at the EF, now spun out as ETH Systems.
- Interdealer compression: A tier‑1 investment bank wants to net trades without an expensive third party – this requires privacy on a shared state like Ethereum.
- Multi‑party private payments: Some jurisdictions require sender, receiver, auditor, and government as participants. This couldn’t be done privately and performantly for years – ETH Systems found a solution.
- Massive scale: One project could roll out to an entire country with tens of millions of users.
- Many current solutions are bespoke because institutions have specific legal and business needs.
- The goal is to extract generic building blocks that become open‑source libraries and a reusable stack.
- ETH Systems follows a two‑track approach: business‑driven (directly helping institutions) and open‑source (strengthening the whole Ethereum ecosystem).
- ETH Systems is a for‑profit company – necessary for sustainable funding and to be a trusted counterparty for institutions.
- Demand is massive and inbound – institutions reach out because they see DeFi’s potential but need privacy and compliance.
- Engagements take 18–24 months, so first products are still in development.
- Financial infrastructure should run invisibly on blockchain: users can trade global stocks without revealing their identity, yet enjoy all DeFi benefits (ownership, transferability, verifiability).
- Privacy means selective disclosure – aggregates like TVL or trading volume remain visible, while individual transactions stay private.
- The bridge between cypherpunks and institutions is narrower than expected: both want censorship resistance, security, and openness – they just speak different languages.
- DeFi protocols should be open to adaptation – ETH Systems seeks collaboration to modify products for institutional users.
- Open‑source contributions are welcome: the team regularly publishes write‑ups and market maps; contributors benefit from high attention from banks.
- More mutual understanding is needed between developers and traditional finance – a continuous feedback loop is essential.






